From the Inbox: "I feel like giving up...

From the Inbox: "I feel like giving up. I've been reading loa books for 5 years now, and this crap doesn't work. Why should I even bother learning Neville now?" - Frustrated in Frankfurt.

Here's notes from our reply. (What would you have said?)

"Based on your emails to us and your comments on facebook you might want to give up - a couple things - like these:"

  1. Give up the belief that 'the power" is something / someone outside of you instead of getting you are the power.

  2. You give up hoping that this might work, instead of having faith that it does - because of what you truly are. (See point #1)

  3. Give up wanting money to help your family (who you state are all poor with money). Stop imagining them "poor with money" and instead - imagine your family becoming great with money, and IMAGINING what they each want in life. (Don't give them a fish, teach them how to fish - after imagining them fishing like experts.)

  4. Give up reading "loa experts" and drop almost all of the 37 facebook groups you are on - and for 90 days - study Neville and Feel It Real with all your free time. And while you are at it...

  5. Get dirty. Go out and live your life like it actually does matter. Waiting to do what you love and putting off participating in your passions - until you "hit the big one" is often just an avoidance strategy. Imagine the best, imagine your success and get dirty.

And when ever you think you've got it right - DIVE DEEPER.

Have fun!

(Any questions, comments?) (What would you have said?)

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Thank you!

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Frustrated in Frankfurt: Seems to me that you immediately had the answer to your question when you stated "You have been reading LOA books for 5 years and that stuff does not work" Well that was your innerself revealing to your outer senses that its PAST time to try something else. I asure you that if you try Neville for even 5 DAYS YES DAYS you will begin to see and feel the shift!!!! I'm not just talking I've done it for myself and I believe it was day 3 when I was able to share my excitement!!! Try it.....? Peace

Amen.?

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It`s crazy. Now that i realize i am God, the more aware i am of how others put their power and happiness outside of themselves. Someone dear to me was talking about how they feel like they are begging and pleading with god to grant them their wish and desires and nothing is happening. I mentioned that they are the power and its their own wonderful imagination that is not allowing their desires to come about, while begging for a power outside of them to make it happen.

Good on you Patrick! It's AMAZING to me, the lengths people go through, to INSIST that they are small, separte and VICTIMS to everything.... Because once you start GETTING IT... Wowsers!

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When i mentioned this to my family member, they gave me a look like, "what, i can create my own recovery and health?" I said yes, see yourself as already healed and having what you desire now.

"What would imply you are healthy?" - - Imagine that - experience that as real - now. Whoo yah!

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Great response. So I know I'm blonde and all... but could you please explain what Neville is?? I have not heard of this before.

Blonde is a lovely color. Search FreeNevilleGoddard.com enjoy ?

Good one andrew457!

Thank you.?

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It seems to me that my beliefs, past, and conditioning are being filtered through my imagaination. If i believe that i must perform a certain ritual before i can have what i desire, that that is usually the path i take.

I used to "smoke the pipe" like my Native American mentors taught me to. Then I woke up to.....

One of their teachings. "What we smoke, is the thank you plant. When you breathe it in, when you smell it, thankfulness moves within you and when you breathe it out - it expands into all of creation...."

And i got - all ritual - all ceremony (that's well done) is nothing more than fingers pointing to the moon. Reminders of the truths tha work.

It wasn't "the pipe or the tobacco or the ceremony" - it was the FEELING THANKFUL that it was already done.?

Thank you for sharing Twenty Twenty. It all comes back to Feelings.

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thank you Mr TT

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Suzan Patrick I believe Mr. 2020 usually has a pinned post at the top of this page which introduces the Neville Goddard concept. If it is not there trust me he will chime in and offer you a starting point. I don't want to overstep my bounds on this forum. Peace?

Thank you. I haven't seen or heard of it or him before. Thank you for passing it on. Someone did post a link.

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Some people do get out there and live what they like. Then they get tired of doing it Alone. Get tired of starting everything alone. Living alone. Even shopping alone becomes mundane. Changing it up is just doing it alone in a different place. It's not even about the money. That's always available. It's about meeting the people you click with. I can meet and do things with thousands of people, but if I don't click, I'm still alone.

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I would tell him that I spent 40 years studying metaphysics and was a teacher of same. Always knew that there was a piece of the puzzle missing and kept searching for it. Upon finding Neville Goddard books, Mr. TwentyTwenty and freeneville.com, I found my answer!

Good one sheila6496. Forty years.... and now here we are. Good on you for STILL SEARCHING and for being willing to FIND.?

Twenty Twenty, I was wandering in the desert.?

40 years.... Yep. 40 days and 40 nights....?

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"If you believe the law doesn't work, it still works. It just works according to your belief that it doesn't work." ~ Ernest Holmes

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Thank you

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I was just trying to explain why some people might feel like giving up. Even if it's working it's no good alone.

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Stop. Think. Detach from your own words. What are you saying? "Even if it's working it's no good alone." THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE CREATING.

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I am not ready to give up, but I definitely am feeling frustrated and wondering why I am not having more positive results. Part of my problem is that I am a bit overwhelmed. I am dealing with an abusive relationship, health issues, which leads to not knowing how to earn the money to get out of the bad relationship. It feels like a circle I can't get out of.

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Goodie share tina44. So, every moment you are "feeling frustrated" and that "it feels like a circle I can't get out of", you are creating more of the same. Stop it. Stop it and...

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Notice...

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In that same moment, you can be thankful - that you are here - part of this thread - breathing - know about this stuff - realize or suspect that everything physical is actually "in the past" and an echo of what's in consciousness now - (I could go on for ever....)

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You could notice - you are STILLNESS. Right - now.

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Missing Masterkey: This is something - you get to live (not something you HAVE TO DO) - every - single - moment.

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tina44 you don't need to earn money to get out of an abusive relationship, but you do need to learn The Formula and the proper steps to take. First thing I will ask you to do is "REVERSE YOUR CONVERSATION" Just start saying, thinking and feeling within yourself in your quiet moment. "I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP" Then take a moment to think of what you WOULD be doing once you are out of it. RELAX IN THAT FEELING, SMILE EVEN LAUGH TO YOURSELF. See youself having fun agian. PLEASE JUST GIVE IT A TRY. MUCH LOVE TO YOU! Peace and Grace

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Side note: I've had construction people here on the property for over 3 weeks now, 5 days a week. Normally it is very quiet here. Years ago, I would have used this as an excuse.... Today, i use it as a reason - and I've been getting HEAPS of goodie writing for a new book done. My best work ever.

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That doesn't mean that my body isn't tired of the nail gun noises and the chain saws and the.... It is. But i've used this - as an opportunity.... It's all... opportunities.

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I actually do know a lot about Neville at this point. And, I even hesitated to type out what I did because I know that I know the answers. Which brings me to why I am wondering why I am not getting better results. I do have good days and bad days, but I try to keep my mind focused in the right direction - and I think I do a pretty good job for the most part. Part of the problem right now is that physically, I do feel pretty lousy. I normally won't go to the doctors and I have been there a few times over the past few months because I was starting to be concerned beyond what I was comfortable with.

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I appreciate that you know a lot already tina44. And suggest also that you notice what's being offered to you above by theodosia155. She pointed out a few goodies, and she's got a great track record....

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So question - If I do understand that I need to not feel like this is a circle, etc - but there are moments that that thought creeps into my mind and I change my thought. And, it comes back. Ok, so that means I know that it is something in my subconscious. So, even if I am consciously changing that thought - the fact that it returns needs to be changed. How would I go about that if I have already tried things like Revision, etc. I feel like I am trying to do the right things, but it isn't "working" And, I think you have seen me comment on here enough times to know that I truly am trying.

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Hey Mr. Twenty Twenty your comment just gave me a Flash back to MM Lesson 82!? Now I'm creating a story about Noisey NAIL GUN and BUZZY Chain saw, "FEUDING NEIGHBORS"?

Kent Pumpkin and Holly Hocks - on the job....?

Exactly!?

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I did not just blow past her comment - I have already done what she was suggesting multiple times. So, either I am not doing something correctly or something.

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I know A LOT about Neville. And I keep diving deeper... because he put to words - what I have experienced - but what I couldn't put into words. That means heaps to me. So does exploring what he got - that I haven't yet. So we continue to do our personal work here, as well as explore "what else we missed".:

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I'm not saying you blew past it, but I didn't get that you got the gold she offered. Maybe you did, but just in case, I'd like to invite you back to it.

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I just went back to re-read it - I have done EXACTLY that to the best of my ability multiple times. I guess I don't know what I am doing or not doing that it does not seem to be "helping".

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Here's one bit of gold.... theodosia155 said, "you don't need to earn money to get out of an abusive relationship". She's right. Trying to figure out how to get the money, to get out, to get to where you want to go etc.... leads to frustration and confusion. On the other hand...

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Effectively imagining all that is in the past - and you are now where you've chosen - creates the circumstances for that to happen.

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Side note: I've been there.... And I've done it. I'm not speaking theory here.... I never do.

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I walked out of an abusive relationship, with a computer, a mobile phone, and 7 crates of books, and a motorbike worth about $1,200. Left behind a house that was free and clear, two vehicles, and a business.

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I imagined freedom and wealth. And it came in ways that I could have never expected.... This was back in 2001...

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And I built a nice little self help empire, while working some temp jobs... and then let it all crash and burn, when i forgot where the power is - and chose to be a victim for a short time...

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Then I woke up again... Imagined what I wanted. Got it. Moved around the world. And am now doing better than ever.

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BIG KEY: Every time, I dove in deeper so I could rise up higher. And here we are....

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I have typed and erased about 5 sentences because I feel like anything I type is just going to get the same answer. But, it really is not that easy or I would be out of here already. If I really am trying to do my best with my feel it real sessions and I have improved my mind so much that I have moved from being suicidal to knowing that there has to be a solution so I am sticking around to see what my life can be when I am finally able to get out of here - I am not sure what more to do to move things along and get to a life where I am actually living and not just surviving.

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Just to be clear - what I mean by it really is not that easy is - that I do EVERYTHING that is every suggested - to the best of my ability - you would think that should yield at least some "results". I really am at a loss as to what the problem is.

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How do you know, you aren't getting results?

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(Sounds to me like you are (no longer suicidal etc)

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Well, for one thing - when I started imagining being healthy - I had one small problem - over the past three years, my health has gotten much worse.

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As for suicidal - it still crosses my mind from time to time and I tell it to leave - so it is better, but not "gone".

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Neville manifested getting fired from JcPenny - he didn't imagine that - but he did imagine TEACHING - which he couldn't do if working there. So getting fired was a bridge of incident.

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My health got worse a few years ago - I went from walking 10k a day almost to barely able to walk across the garden here...

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I understand that - and that is what I am trying to believe is that somehow all these health issues will end up being better in the end. But, it is a bit overwhelming right now.

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But that was needed, for the shifts to happen so that a long term condition of mine could heal. Now both are great, I am walking about 15k a day, and a health condition I had since I was 13 is gone.

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Yes, that sounds about like me right now. I used to be VERY active and now it is a struggle to even get through a day.

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So here we are tina44, blessing about 10,000 readers, sharing REAL SHIT. Not just "happy happy joy joy" let's bend some spoons and call it Nevillizing.

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It is compounded by the fact that since I used to be very active and I try so hard to be "positive" no one in my life will really help me do anything even though I could really use some help.

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I'll admit where I was 2 - 3 years ago.... And share it. Because someone needs to know this. And I don't have a reason or a context to share it in, unless a discussion like this shows up. Good on you for showing up. Good on everyone in this thread for showing up.??

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I'm not all that "positive" of a guy tina44.? When walking around here like a little old man, with a VERY painful hip, I wasn't positive. I was CURIOUS. Curious about how this SPEED BUMP fits in with the road I am traveling - to what I have chosen.

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One of the chosens - is to be here for a VERY VERY long time. I am really enjoying this adventure. Even though I know the next one is good fun, it doesn't offer "contraction" like Earth does.

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I am starting to have a hard time being positive.

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So for me to stick around for a long long time, that long term health issue that had to do with internal bleeding - needed resolved for good. For that to happen, my hip needed to "fall apart". And now, both are rocking and rolling.

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Forget trying to be positive. That's putting icing on a Crap Cake. Become curious, about how this is moving you toward what you are feeling real. I've never stopped feeling like I will be here for a LONG LONG TIME. Even when walking to the loo was painful, or when I had to lift my left leg into the car...

Boy, did I need to hear THAT to shake a couple things loose today.

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tina44 we are here to Help you move past the point of frustration, without really having to try to figure out how you got there. Just relax and Feel that you ARE already FREE from the things you don't desire. You don't need to know HOW it will happen you just need to know THAT IT HAPPENED!? Take A moment FEEL that FEELING, GO AHEAD, DO A HAPPY DANCE, No really do A HAPPY DANCE RIGHT NOW! Didn't that feel WONDERFUL!!!?

Yes Theodosia!!! love it!!!

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It is interesting that you said to forget being positive because just recently I started to admit that I am pretty angry with a few people. I try to be that "loving" person who forgives everybody. But, the truth is - there are a few people who I am having a hard time having good thoughts about right now.

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tina44, do not despair. I was in a mentally abusive relationship for many years. I turned it around using Neville's techniques. We are no longer together as a couple but we get along and he goes out of his way to be nice to me. We have children together and it's important to me that we are friendly for the kids.

I was in a great relationship, absolutely amazing one - before meeting Victoria and moving to Australia. My ex and I, remain great friends. Because we both imagined it that way. Life is only as complicated and as painful as we let it be.? And life is only as simple and lovely as it can be - when we let it be.

Absolutely twenty46004!?

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About once a week I remember my friend Jody exists. He's in prison, and when I remember he exists - I drop him a letter. It's enjoyable remembering he "is". About once every few months, I remember someone who abused me as a teenager exists. And I give thanks. Because now I notice that his abuse, moved me to want to become a black belt....

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I have absolutely no desire to stay in this relationship with this person. We have no children together and it has been bad pretty much since just before we even got married. So, I have very little "good" feelings associated with him. I strongly desire to be independent again and to start over fresh.

My guess is that one you feel independent and feel that you have started over - you physically will.?

I am "independent" to a point. We live on separate sides of the house and pretty much avoid each other. But, I am not sure how to feel like I have started over while still living here.???

twenty46004 - Any thoughts on my above comment? How to start over while still in the situation.

Heading to the dog park right now tina44. Then 2 hours of calls. If i miss this later, please remind me.?

That is fine - I actually have to go do some horse chores too. Should have gone already actually. Thank you.

Hello twenty46004 - just giving you a little reminder. Hope you had a wonderful night and lovely morning. Looking forward to your input on my question about how to start over while still in the same situation - from yesterday. Thanks?

Let's dive in. Give me a sec to re read the thread...?

Sure thing?

Seems like that's the universal challenge / opportunity tina44. I just noticed that - when I was getting beat during the Camp Hill Prison Riots, I was imagining my future being great. Some travel, healthy and wealthy.... Meanwhile, in physical land, my head was getting kicked in....

I'd suspect that imaginal act is what made sure I didn't "stay dead". Because I imagined - felt as real - the good life here on earth - while feeling boots smash into my head...

Ok, so the starting over would be in my imagination. I wasn't sure.

It's like a "real time I remember when". While I felt the boots smashing into my body.... it was like a memory.... and I was traveling the coast....

(I really appreciate the question, and the reminder, sharing this is pretty cool. Thank you tina44.)

A bit like an intentional out of body experience.

I had read on the Amazon page recently that you had been part of the riot, I had wondered what had happened, so it is interesting to hear you speak about it.

You keep inviting me to share.... good on you tina44.

Sometime over the years....

I stopped identifying with the body....

? I am a sharer

So, it's like a "trans-body" experience. Neither in, or out.

But more like noticing - at once - I am a wave in the ocean - and at the same time - I am the ocean...

And that I'm what's beyond the ocean....

(If I sit here and just appreciate "what is" - it gets a little trippy...)?

Hmmm.....stop identifying with the body. Interesting. Lately, with all my health issues - it has been feeling like my body is controlling me. And, I am not very happy about that. But, not sure how to get that to change.

? I wish I would appear where you are with a great big smile, slap a high five and give you a great big hug tina44. You are a gem!

Awww.... Thanks andrew457 - I really appreciate it?

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And there are heaps of other people in my life.... who I can forget, who I can remember, who I can forget again. Forgetting is forgiveness. Remembering is an opportunity to forget what's best forgotten and an opportunity to give to what is lovely.

I am not sure how to go about "forgetting" when still in a situation with someone. I am pretty good about it once the situation is no longer "in my face". Is there some way to do this?

I can forget Emmett exists when he's in the back seat... Or my Mom, when I am reading a good book on the throne. Forgetting is EASY. We do it all the time.

Aunt Betty forgets that she's actually talking to other people, that they exist and have feelings, even when they are right in front of her.

I'll forget all about this while at the dog park, until I remember to go home...

My guess is my "other" is like Aunt Betty.

When you attention is open to the moment - it can't be filled with anything else.?

My guess is you are right, and that's why I tossed that in tina44?

Which is probably why I keep to my side of the house.

I am often a bit "shocked" at just how cold and mean he can be to me while I am standing right there. There are times it actually seems like he is "enjoying" it. I just don't have that kind of personality and don't know how to understand purposely hurting someone else.

Current stats indicate one in twenty people is a sociopath.

Talk about an interesting statistic.

He actually said to me one time that he wondered if he was a bit sociopathic - but I think he said it to have an excuse - not to be open to making any changes.

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How did I miss all of this!! I've got some reading to catch up on lol?

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tina44, I hated him. I wanted him gone. I had to let that go. I had to learn to find something to like, then something to love. Boy, that was hard. Very hard. But that's when it turned around. I learned so many lessons about what love is and what it isn't. It was a vicious cycle. He was horrible, I expected him to be horrible, he loved up to my expectations. By letting go of hate and following Neville, things changed for me.

Hard to admit - but lately, I do find myself thinking I hate him. I think I stuffed that feeling down for quite a while because I am not the kind of person who normally hates someone else. I do try to appreciate if he does something for me. I do try to appreciate that he is currently paying the bills even though he complains about it constantly and acts like everything is my fault. So, I do try - but it can be very hard to think kindly towards someone who is not being kind.

So stacy1 - HOW did you go about letting go of feeling hate toward him? I don't want to hate anybody.

I know it is. I lived that life for way too long. I completely understand. It's not hopeless though. Don't give away your power to him or anyone. I got to a point that was very dark. A horrible time. I realized that I was mirroring his awfulness back to him. That's not who I am. I had to pull out of it, be the person I knew I really was and see him differently. That when it changed. It's not all roses. But instead of getting caught in his drama I walk away, revise, focus on something else and then within minutes he's different.

My motivation for getting rid of the hate for him was love. I knew that if I continued to hate him then I wouldn't find love in anyone and they wouldn't find it in me. I was never in love with him in the first place which is a whole other story but I needed to find peace. Wayne dyers books helped me with that at the time.

I definitely understand exactly what you are saying - And, I have had the thought that I didn't want to allow him to get me to be nasty in return. I feel like I have definitely been pulled down to a lower level with him and am trying to come backup to who I really am and want to be. I don't like drama. I don't like to be nasty to anyone. I recently got to a point where I have decided that I will walk away even if he is purposely trying to push my buttons (and he knows exactly what they are) But, even if I try to be nicer, he hasn't seemed to soften even one little bit.

I think those guys are related.?

Just trying to make you smile.

REVISION IS A LIFESAVER, and I don't mean the Candy! lol

I must not be doing revision correctly or something - I have read it and re-read it and try to do it. But, I don't seem to be getting the same amazing results other people make it sound like.

I have to go do some horse chores. Be back later.

I'm always here if you need to talk.?

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Good evening tameka73. We've got many of the Rockstars here blessing everyone today with their love and openness.?

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I appreciate reading all of the goodies. Working 3rd shift has knocked be off a little, really need to get back on. This is why I appreciate this group soooo much, it keeps me going without missing a beat.?

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great thought?

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Neville's teachings seem to fit right in with and complement another set of spiritual writings I've delved into, the "Word" channelings of Paul Selig. I read this passage this morning in Selig's THE BOOK OF KNOWING AND WORTH...

>> You think small, you know. You think in small ways. 'I can grow a little bit today,' 'I can have my little experience today,' and we will say that's OK, if you like it. You can have it little all you want. But if you want great change, you must assume great things can be so. And the claim of a great thing, we say, requires you to welcome it in a real way.

I'm sure that there is overlap, there always is. But I'm gonna toss out a but. I've NEVER read anything channelled that didn't have some HUGE traps built into it.

That's okay though, we all get it and lose it and get it again. Until we truly GET IT.

In my experience, the channelled stuff always has presuppositions that are subtle, yet strongly disempowering. So heads up. We've had people getting great results with Neville over the years, crash pretty hard because they bought back into "duality" and "smallness" and "we are here to help you" and... so on.

As a Neville essay I read a couple weeks ago said, "We make mistakes, and we correct those mistakes. We make more mistakes, and we correct those mistakes."

It's all good fun.... getting lost... getting found... getting we are the losters.... and the founders....?

But we are "moving up an infinite vertical line in (our) wonderful imagination, and you only move up by lifting others up."

I don't know anyone who seems to have understood the spiritual cause and effect AND the "method" the way Neville did.

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Oh my goodness.... Where was I yesterday?? This is a great thread!

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Think No problems, only opportunities

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One thing that works for me when I'm having a hard time feeling positive about other ppl or trials I'm experiencing is to get quiet and just radiate Love for myself for as long as I can. That's really the starting point anyway. And as I feel better about & REMIND MYSELF of who I Am & what I can give myself, I begin to find solutions or at least next action steps for the ppl/trials. And it arises from the self-love.

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Good one tiffany71908! Being STILL and getting quiet let's us notice - we are creating all kinds of stuff - right now - both turds and diamonds.... Being loving - appreciating beauty - being thankful - changes everything.

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yes to 4 and 5

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Thanks twenty46004!! Sorry I didn't see your response! ?

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I’m doing these

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